Need help with DNS configurations...

[VerityNS]

I'm having a hard time making sure my clients have total DNS control over their domain names inside Plesk.

One example in particular I can give you is that I created a ns.<domainname>.com and a ns1.<domainname>.com in the Plesk DNS panel. I then went and logged into Yahoo where my client has his domain registered. I tried changing the names servers in Yahoo to ns.<domainname>.com and ns1.<domainname>.com and Yahoo kept rejecting it as a valid name server. Upon speaking with Yahoo, they told me unless the NS's are created from a registrar, they wont be considered "valid" NS's.

I dont want my clients to have to transfer their domain names to 1and1. The process is a pain in my opinion and can take up to 2 weeks to accomplish, and thats if everything goes right from the start.

I would greatly appreciate any insight people can give me on this! :)

[Jason Lee]

Hi,

for example I have ns1.omegaserv.com ns2.omegaserv.com and so on. In the 1and1 control pannel I created ns1.omegaserv.com ns2.omegaserv.com and so on as subdomains. This apears to have worked. But all my .com/.net/.org domains are with 1and1. And I'm not sure if .ca domains (which is with another registrar) has that same requirement.

Hope this helps.

[VerityNS]

Jason...

Thank you for your reply. I thought about doing it through the 1and1 control panel DNS as well, the only problem with that is you must create subdomains for that. I have a Root Server III, but there is a limitation of 10 subdomains in the DNS control panel for 1and1. What happens when I have 50 different domains on this server?

I spoke with 1and1 about this. They agreed that the best thing to do is use the Plesk DNS control panel to create name servers. But the only problem that I'm running into now is that Yahoo doesn't see these name servers as REAL WORLD name servers. Yahoo wont allow name servers to be added to a domain unless it can verify it.

Is there any more ideas floating out there, someone is willing to share? I'm sure others have run into this as well!?!?!?!

Thanks...

[Jason Lee]

Why would you need more than 10 nameserver addresses? Since your using your own nameservers you only need those subdomains for the nameservers.

For example for all the domains I host on my root server use...

ns1.omegaserv.com
ns2.omegaserv.com
ns3.omegaserv.com
ns4.omegaserv.com

I setup those in the 1and1 control pannel as subdomains (the only subdomains I have in there) and they point to my nameservers. All the domains on the root server are set to use those nameservers. You don't need to setup seperate nameserver addresses for each domain so the 10 subdomain limit won't be a problem. Even if you have 50 domains (which I do have) because they would just use the same nameservers.

[Wythrol]

I dont know if It will be of any use to you, but I've been playing with the following setup for a .co.uk domain.

This is for a UK based 1&1 setup.

my domain, lets call it domain.co.uk is registered with ukreg.com a UK domain registrar. I initially added the domain as an external domain to the 1&1 control panel (no charge). Waited a few days. I then registered a few subdomains ns1 and ns2 under my primary domain for the root server (we are allowed 20 subs in the UK not 10) ie ns1.server.com / ns2.server.com and pointed these directly at the A-record for the IP's ( sorry forgot to mention I have 2 IP's). Waited again for a day or two. I then went back to ukreg.com and changed the DNS servers for that domain to point to ns1.server.com and ns2.server.com. DNS lookups for domain.co.uk now show ns1.server.com and ns2.server.com (and associated IP's). No probs so far. I've also switched domain.co.uk from one IP to the other IP from within plesk and resolution takes place with no problems.

[Wythrol]

actually, excuse my ignorance, but when did Yahoo start doing domain names?

[brucew]

Yahoo doesn't see these name servers as REAL WORLD name servers. Yahoo wont allow name servers to be added to a domain unless it can verify it.

I'm assuming you meant, "I set up nameservers using Plesk DNS, but Yahoo rejects mail sent from those domains."

You need to set up the reverse DNS in the 1&1 Control Panel.

1) login to the 1&1 CP
2) Select the server in question, and click Administration
3) Choose Server Administration
4) Choose IP Address Overview
5) Check the IP Address in question
6) Choose Reverse Mapping
7) Enter you nameserver's name (ns1.domain.com, etc.)
8) Click Save
9) Repeat steps 5-8 for each IP Address in question

HTH!

If I answered the wrong question, sorry.

[VerityNS]

For example for all the domains I host on my root server use...

ns1.omegaserv.com
ns2.omegaserv.com
ns3.omegaserv.com
ns4.omegaserv.com

I setup those in the 1and1 control pannel as subdomains (the only subdomains I have in there) and they point to my nameservers. All the domains on the root server are set to use those nameservers. You don't need to setup seperate nameserver addresses for each domain so the 10 subdomain limit won't be a problem. Even if you have 50 domains (which I do have) because they would just use the same nameservers.

Jason...

Can you explain the details of how you created the name servers a little more?

I went into 1and1.com control panel and setup 2 subdomains for Verity-NS.com and called them NS1.Verity-NS.com and NS2.Verity-NS.com. Then I went into the Plesk Control Panel and created 2 NS DNS entries under Verity-NS.com domain. Also called NS1.Verity-NS.com and NS2.Verity-NS.com.

Is this all that needs to be done. Do I now just have to wait the 24-48 hours for it to replicate. Will Yahoo now see these are "legitimate" name servers?

Thanks for the help! :)

[nos]

ok heres what u need to do and dont use 1&1 to register domains. i use enom and or their resellers.

steps
1) goto 1and1 request an ip
2) go into plesk assign ns1.yourdomain.com to your primary ip and ns2.yourdomain.com to the new ip no www. uncheck that . this step is optional i believe.
3) goto your registrar and have them register nameservers for you eg ns1 and ns2.yourdomain.com and point them to your 2 ip's you just setup.
sometimes in the registrar cp they have a form that you can fill to make them if not call them and ask.

4) dance around and sing "yay i did it"

bam your done . have all your domains point to nameserver ns1 and ns2.yourdomain.com

[VerityNS]

ok heres what u need to do and dont use 1&1 to register domains. i use enom and or their resellers.

steps
1) goto 1and1 request an ip
2) go into plesk assign ns1.yourdomain.com to your primary ip and ns2.yourdomain.com to the new ip no www. uncheck that . this step is optional i believe.
3) goto your registrar and have them register nameservers for you eg ns1 and ns2.yourdomain.com and point them to your 2 ip's you just setup.
sometimes in the registrar cp they have a form that you can fill to make them if not call them and ask.

4) dance around and sing "yay i did it"

bam your done . have all your domains point to nameserver ns1 and ns2.yourdomain.com

Thanks nos! I have done most of that already, but the problem is, I transfered my domain from GoDaddy to 1and1 so time ago. So I'm not sure how I can have them register the nameservers for me. I have in the 1and1 control panel under DNS made two subdomains and called them ns1 and ns2. But I'm not sure if that is enough.

Any other ideas?

[nos]

you will have to call and ask them to do it . registering a nameserver is a lil more than just a nameserver entry . its made by the big boys and is not hosted by 1and one and or yourself. im sure 1and1 can register one for you but i recommend you switch to enom or something.

[VerityNS]

Well.. I think I followed all of Jason's steps correctly, and Yahoo still wont recognize my name servers as being valid. I did test to see if Jason's NS's would work, and they did... So obviously I'm doing something wrong!

Jason, is there any way you would be willing to give me a little 1 on 1 support with this??? If so, would you mind contacting me on IM? AIM = FSGDAG, MSN = Frank@Verity-NS.com.

[VerityNS]

This is what my 1and1.com DNS control panel looks like...

http://www.verity-ns.com/images/NS-1.jpg

And here is what I have setup in my Plesk DNS under my domain...

http://www.verity-ns.com/images/NS-2.jpg


Can you tell me if I have it setup correctly? Am I missing something?

[VerityNS]

BUMP!

Anyone have any ideas???

[VerityNS]

Well.. It isn't just Yahoo that isn't recognizing my name servers. I just register a new domain over at enom and they didn't recognizing them either!

Any help someone can give me is GREATLY appreciated! I really need to find the answer to this problem! :)

[Wythrol]

Ok, I've had a look at your screen grabs and the post a couple above this and compared it to how I am doing things, and there appears to be a couple of problems.

I'll assume that verity-ns.com is your domain.
I'll also assume that 217.160.227.203 is your primary IP for this server and you have purchased the additional IP 82.165.228.231
You also seem to have created a subdomain 'mail' to hand off mail to a 3rd party server. Why have you designated 'mail' for both a 3rd party dns and mx server? To hand off mail all you need is the mx , the dns will only confuse matters.
In the second screen grab you have posted the general skeleton. Here is my actual DNS table for a working domain (ip's and domains removed)



123.456.789.0IP / 24 PTR domain.co.uk.
ftp.domain.co.uk. CNAME domain.co.uk.
lists.domain.co.uk. CNAME domain.co.uk.
mail.domain.co.uk. A 123.456.789.0IP
ns.domain.co.uk. A 123.456.789.0IP
domain.co.uk. A 123.456.789.0IP
domain.co.uk. MX (10) mail.domian.co.uk.
domain.co.uk. NS ns.domain.co.uk.
webmail.domainh.co.uk. A 123.456.789.0IP
www.domain.co.uk. CNAME domain.co.uk.



You have already setup ns1/ns2 as subs of your primary domain under the 1&1 control panel and pointed them to your 2 IP addresses. All should be well. I now point a couple of externally registered domains to ns1.myserver.com and ns2.myserver.com with no problems.

If you are actually asking how to setup up ns records for yourclientaccount.com then I think at the moment it is not easily possible using either the 1&1 control panel or psa. It can be done, but it will require you to get down and dirty on the cli.

[Wythrol]

ps ... why is your primary domain pointing to other DNS entries:?

[VerityNS]

ps ... why is your primary domain pointing to other DNS entries:?

The reason why is because every time I try to point my own domain to ns1.verity-ns.com and ns2.verity-ns.com, it tells me that ns1 and ns2 are NOT valid nameservers.. This is where I keep banging my head against the wall! I dont understand what I'm doing wrong, why other registrars' ( including 1and1.com ) wont recognize what I have setup as a valid name server

[eWebtricity]

I just checked out Enom control panel and found the tool to register a name server with them under the menu at:

DOMAINS>ADVANCED TOOLS>REGISTER A NAME SERVER

This is what we used to setup all our domains and plesk servers.

If that helps.

[VerityNS]

I want to thank everyone for there help and response to my problem!

The problem is resolved, and believe it or not, it had to do with a MX record I had previously setup for this domain. For some reason, it did not like it, and was keeping the NS's from working.

[Wythrol]

mail exchange is always a pain in the arse.